Comments on: Evidence for atheism

By: Rising Early

Rising Early — Wed, 10 Apr 2013 05:02:06 +0000

I have been looking for a place to have reasoned dialogue with atheists and it looks like this is such a place.
I used to be an atheist but have become persuaded by the evidence that God; specifically the God of the Bible, does indeed exist. As an atheist, I always assumed ownership of a positive position. After all, we are dealing with ultimate questions here. It is easy to take a “default” position regarding the existence of unicorns, but when it comes to questions like, “are we here because of a deliberate intentional action or because of a mere accident of physicality?”, it is crucial that we be invested in pursuing a legitimate answer. When I was an atheist, I was so because I believed that the evidence supported atheism, but above all, I remained dedicated to pursuing what was true.
I am wondering if anyone would be interested in eating the elephant one bite at a time? I propose that the evidence clearly indicates that life requires a Creator. Would anyone be interested in engaging me on this specific proposition?

By: Randy

Randy — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:26:06 +0000

I’m an atheist without any doubt. I love reading people’s takes on the subject. Mostly i don’t believe in God because I have many infinitely more productive things to worry myself over. My life is way more important to me than wasting my time contemplating an unanswerable query. I respect any and all other’s beliefs, but until given evidence, I will not waste my days attempting to believe in something that my brain so disagrees with. I am just being as honest with myself as is possible.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:10:47 +0000

@anonymous feb 17 2011
the argument you are using implies a God that is created.
if God required a creator, then he is not truly “God” now is he? fortunately for monotheistic (jews and christians. and to a lesser degree the babylonian influenced islamics) believers their God does not fit a “created God” description, and therefore do not need to answer this question since they do not claim their God began to exist. christians and jews believe in a God that is transcendent, heck his name is translated “I Am”. the monotheistic God did not begin to exist as he always was and always will be, without begining and without ending. that is why it says in Genesis he is the alpha and omega in an attempt to explain this incomprehensible idea.

as for a god of the gaps argument that is false. it is based in testable reality. something has never come from nothing at any point in human history. the poster is correct in his belief that something coming from nothing is illogical. unless God made it happen, which would be a miracle. that is why our universe has rules and operations that are standard such as the strength of gravity, speed of light, chemical properties, biological systems, ect, ect… there are a multitude of constants that if changed would end all life on this planet. over 300 of them began simultaneously at the big bang (the odds of this happening at random are so astronomical its sickening) and if any of them changed even slightly the universe would not even exist. oddly enough those astronomical odds remind me of the numbers of prophecies Jesus Christ fulfilled in his lifetime that would be physically impossible for a man to accomplish. you are correct that just because it is outside of human ability to explain something that it does not mean “God did it”. but i would have to say that it seems highly unlikely that some of the things we have proven to be true seem highly unlikely without divine intervention.

where does morality come from? not society agreeing that is for sure. unfortunately for you, i believe you misunderstood the true intent of the question the poster you are responding to asked. this question is where does objective morality come from? because your response is assuming that morality is subjective only. on this i disagree completely. there is a subjective morality that people operate on regionally, but there is also a superior objective morality that governs the whole of humanity. so if you would rethink your positions and respond accordingly it would be appreciated.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:22 +0000

If everything has a creator, then who created God? As you say, “Something can’t come from nothing.”

As for the world being too complex, that’s just a “God. Of the gaps” argument. Just because you can’t explain how the world got here doesn’t automatically mean that, “God did it.”

Where does morality come from? It comes from the fact that we humans live in societies and those societies would fall apart if we didn’t have morals to follow. They are an outgrowth os people realizing that its better for everyone if they have some agreed upon rules to live by.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:03:29 +0000

The world is far too complex to be created out of nothing. Something can’t come from nothing, point blank. Anyone to say that it can is illogical. To every design, there is a designer. Another thing to consider when asking if their is a God is this: where did morality come from? Throughout the entire infrastructure of humanity there is an “unwritten law” of human ethics. A yearning for knowledge, and a sense of right and wrong. What is honorable, and what is unjust. As C.L. Lewis said in his book “Mere Christianity,” even the people that refute absolutes in morality, debunk themselves in their case, by trying to make excuses against accusations from others for them being “not fair” or “unjust.” In making an excuse for why they did what they did, proves that they do accept a standard for morality, or they otherwise would not care enough to make an excuse.

By: Eric Robert Hauser

Eric Robert Hauser — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:06:44 +0000

God exists because HE is the Creator of the Universe.
Can you create what God has created?

We are talking about more than what you can see….
We are talking about love, feelings and the devil who
thrives on hatrid.
Please think about these things.
Eric Robert Hauser
You can respond directly to my e-mail address:
rbroker@ca.rr.com

By: theblackbook

theblackbook — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:33:13 +0000

Judith Hayes puts it better than I do. http://www.thehappyheretic.com/06-01.htm
http://www.thehappyheretic.com/07-01.htm

By: theblackbook

theblackbook — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:30:47 +0000

Joe: Athiesm is NOT the belief in the nonexistence of a diety. It is the disbelief in the existence of a diety. The prefix ‘a’ (as in a-theist) does NOT mean “anti” or “against”- it means, literally, “lacking”. So an a-theist lacks theistic belief, but DOES NOT DENY theistic belief. I am an atheist because I have no faith in the existence of God- that does not mean that I deny that God exists. I do not have all of the evidence- I don’t claim to know everything, and I don’t know an atheist who does, or would. I admit that there is tiny tiny bit of a chance that God does exist (and he/she/it is very angry with me), but then, there’s also a small chance that the sun won’t rise tomorrow. I have found no evidence supporting the outstanding claim that God exists, and outstanding claims require outstanding evidence. The burden on proof lies with the theists, and until I get some proof, I am staying a-theist: lacking belief.

By: Jairo Mejia

Jairo Mejia — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:32:23 +0000

Atheists and Gnostics are right in most of their thinking

It has been common among religious believers to look with misgiving to atheists and Gnostics, and to think that they are mistaken; however, in many instances the opposite is the truth; some religious beliefs are not just irrelevant, but baseless. The “God” of main line traditions simply does not exist. I accepted the challenge of finding the One who may be recognized even by Gnostics and atheists: the Existence itself, “All-That-Is.” If something is there, that is God. Look at the book “Christianity Reformed From ist Roots – A life centered in God” (Amazon.com). I am confident that some of your friends will be relieved of the illusion, as I did myself.

Jairo Mejia, M. Psych., Santa Clara University
Retired Episcopal Priest
Carmel Valley, California

http://www.mbay.net/~jmejia/Grudzen.htm
http://www.mbay.net/~jmejia/Churcher.htm

By: Joe

Joe — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:49:21 +0000

Atheism, by definition, is the belief in the non-existence of any deity. I am non-religious, but no sir, I am not an atheist. I believe there is something more to life then what we can possibly come close to understanding through science or religion. If you cannot truly believe(<—key word there) that there is no deity at all, then you will have to fess up and admit that you are an agnostic, not an atheist. But then you would have to change up this website and that would take up too much time.